I agree with you duke_toaster. But GTR or Formula cars are a different matter - its about getting Rid off all driving Aids on a Server with the cars who represent Road Cars.

Quote from duke_toaster :

Sequential gearboxes in cars that should have them (IRL, UF/XF/FX/ZR/FZR would have sequentials) isn't a driving aid.

It depends on what is supposed to be a Road Car in LFS. Dont think a UF ( Mini Cooper ) has F1 Paddle Shifting for example

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sun 7 Jan 2007, 14:47.

Quote from duke_toaster :

I am not telling anyone how but I have thought a way that - without removing come features completely- could make a mockery of a forced shifter and clutch axis.

If it's exploitable by a dumbass who knows nothing about programming (me), imagine what cheaters could come up with.

You perhaps mean configuring other buttons as H-Gated Gears, or configuring outside programs like Logitech Profiler to do clutched Gearchanges for you, some people aiming to cheat should not destroy the idea to have a Server with H-Gate shifters and / or clutch Pedals shifters.

Quote from Fischfix :

this is going to be a lonely server...

So that Topic shouldnt bother you should it?

Perhaps the name Hardcore Mode is really the Problem to some, like Hyperactive said. Hardcore Mode implies a step over the default Simulation Mode. Maybe we should stop calling it Hardcore Mode, if thats the problem for some. Lets call it "driving-Aids-Free" Mode

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sun 7 Jan 2007, 14:38.

Funny Thread Title

Bump

I would like to suggest that when leaving a Server the player should get back to the Raceserver list Screen and not to the connections Screen.

he wants to place that pedal display somewhere else

Really like this idea not only for sorting the Race List Server....

IF / WHEN we would get a Rating System on Public Races, we could get a Rating value for every discipline like a Rating for Rallyieng, another for Racing and like that..

Quote from Fischfix :

if this is possible, then why not let the grid rearange in the correct racing order?

"overtake the car in front"
"let the car behind you pass"

something like that...

one more improvement suggestion: an option to let people join a server only if there is a brake at the moment and no race going on.

In NASCAR Racing 2003 the Team Boss tells you on the Radio if you need to pass a car infront or let somebody overtake you, he tells you where the Safety car is at the moment, when the Restart will be and so on.

But aslong as there is no Pit Radio in LFS Text Messages would do it.

Dont like the suggestion to not let people join a Server during a Race. But then any Server should be able to run how the Host want it

Quote from Fischfix :

serverside pacecar triggered by admin

its just a simple AI script. car stands at the end of pits, when triggered, pacecar drives out (full course yellow), keeps a speed of max 150km/h. drives 3-5 laps (depends on track and settings), drives back into pits (race free again).

overtaking a car which does not cause a yellow flag = spectate
overtaking the pacecar = spectate
crashing the pacecar = spectate

option: pits closed while pacecar out, pits closed in lap 1 while pacecar out,...

Would be nice to have. But I dont like your penalty ideas.

When you drive during a Pace Car Phase for some time, and you throw the car from side to side, do some wheelspin and just mess around a little, you occasionally pass the front car who was just brake testing, it happens often but you let him back in front so you should only get a message to let the car behind pass you. If you dont let him repass you at the Start you should get a drive through Penalty not kicked to Spectating.

9 letters wouldnt be too much for the Road Car imho

+1 what Dajmin said

But it works fine in other Sims. Would you never like to Race a long Race with alot of drivers? Its huge fun to have a 43 car Grid at any Track. Watkins Glen has a Laptime of 1 minute and 15 seconds, with 43 cars on it its still manageable and Great fun just aswell as on the old Nurburgring where 43 cars is normal, but it works on smaller tracks aswell. Aston Club with 30 Mini Coopers in LFS?? BRING IT ON

NEED FOR SPEED - STFU? Shut the **** up?

Okay adding you two to the list, that means you will start no matter what car wins the Poll, okay?

STARTING GRID SO FAR:

1. tombarlin
2. George Kuyumji
3. Blackout
4. AtomAnt
5. andy29
6. ayrton senna 87
7. danowat
8. Rubenz81
9. thisnameistaken
10. AndroidXP
11. 1James1
12. mcintyrej
13. Leifde

Quote from Thorvertonian :

But will LFS go the whole hog, if you can jump start, does that mean you have to apply the handbrake to stop yourself rolling while revving on the clutch/in neutral?

I think it will. I remember starts in Spa in Grand Prix Legends, where the Starting Grid was before Eau Rouge in 1967, so it was going downhill. Before the start you had first Gear in - one foot on the clutch, one on the throttle and the brake, to prevent the car starting to roll down by itself before the Start.

Only those who would Race in any car that wins the Poll are put in the Starting Grid for now. If you Race only when one of the car you voted for wins the Poll - I put you on the Starting Grid later.


STARTING GRID SO FAR:

tombarlin
George Kuyumji
Blackout
AtomAnt
andy29
ayrton senna 87
danowat
Rubenz81
thisnameistaken
AndroidXP

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Fri 5 Jan 2007, 13:18.

Good that the Options we were calling for made it into the list.

What do you all think about the Restart Race time. It is only 3 seconds. Hard to get ready when your just about to tweak the Setup or do something in the Options. I would reckon the Restart Counter should start at 30 seconds, with a Sound file played with it. GPL has 24 seconds, NASCAR Racing 1 minute, so your always in a Hurry when you have only 3 seconds to get Ready to Race...

Of course it should be possible to change the Gear on the Grid. Should be out of question that a LFS car should be able to do that. Maybe it will come with the false start Updates.

+1 Definitely more cars would be nice. Like in NASCAR Racing 2003 with 43 cars at Watkins Glen or the Nurburgring. It sometimes get a Mess in Public Races but its not that big of deal and good to have for League Events

Every Forum Member is invited

Oh boy I forget the FXO could be another popular car, but I cannot edit the Poll anymore. Perhaps a Moderator can add the FXO to the Poll Answers???

lol just to make sure nobody is confused: EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM IS INVITED, you should have more than a couple of Posts tho

I'm calling upon all regular Members, Moderators, Readers and Writers.

All you Glenns, tristancliffes, AndroidXPs, Blas89s, Cue Balls, GianniCs, Timbe, Razvan, COOP201, SamHs, imthebestracerthereiss, RAYFighters, Lucasinios, Becky Roses, Viper93, Astros, BlakjeKaas... AND EVERYBODY ELSE

All you people are invited to join:




Thanks to timbarlin we are allowed to take the Redline Server and organise a Race which is Password Protected were only members of this Forum are allowed to join.

I cant wait to see all you guys on the Track !!

RACEDAY IS:


THURSDAY - 11th JANUARY - AT 8 O CLOCK CENTRAL EUROPE TIME

which is 7 oclock Greenwich Time if I'm not mistaken.


To make this not like your Average Pick Up Race, a Pitstop will be required and the Race will be 30 LAPS with 15 Minutes Qualy. You will get the Password from me threw the Forums PM.

For our first Forum Race we visit the beautiful track of Aston Club, which should be popular and produce some tight Racing so that alot of people join the Race hopefully.

Please vote for what car you would like to Race.

If your sure you can show up please make a Post and I will add you to the Starting List.

You have to use the same name in the Forum as you do in this Race.

Hope you guys will join this and we might have a lot of fun Racing all the guys you normally only talk with.

STARTING GRID SO FAR:

1. andybarsblade
2. George Kuyumji
3. Blackout
4. AtomAnt
5. andy29
6. ayrton senna 87
7. danowat
8. Rubenz81
9. thisnameistaken
10. AndroidXP
11. 1James1
12. frokki
13. mcintyrej
14. Leifde
15. moefinley
16. LFSn00b


If you comment to join the Race and then not want to show up please Post that will you not come so that someone else can take your Spot



EDITED RACE RESULTS:


Complete Race Results Stats (thx thisnameistaken)


1 ANDROIDXP 36:46,261
2 RC10RACER + 3,86
3 THISNAMEISTAKEN + 17,00
4 DANOWAT + 18,27
5 HYPERACTIVE + 19,70
6 BAWBAG + 20,24
7 FROKKI + 30,12
8 TOMBARLIN + 44,48
9 BLACKOUT + 52,39
10 MAUNI + 54,17
11 MCINTYREJ + 1m10
12 MOEFINLEY + 1 lap
13 GEORGE KUYUMJI + 1 lap
14 ALFATESTER +1 lap
15 ANDY29 + 1 lap
16 KEIRAN DNF

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Fri 12 Jan 2007, 06:49.

Quote from nihil :

Its not bad attitude. Its a difference of opinion. LFS is a representation of real life and as such needs to be mediated in some way. Will ALWAYS be mediated in some way. Will never be 'real'...

Everybody is entitled to his Opinion, but its bad attitude when people start to assume we get ashamed if we got beaten by a keyboard driver, or we are "eliteists". :flamed:
Most of the People racing on Hardcore Mode Setted up Server would still be Racing alot on any other Server - just like now people jump from Server to Server and Combo to Combo.

Quote from nihil :

You want reality. Buy a car.

No thanks I got a 116hp reardrive manual transmission car and I love it I have also been to Race driving schools driving Formula 2000 cars but it was too expensive to keep on going. Sim Racing is more than a PC Game, its a Hobby. I dont use the PC for much except enjoying the digital recreation of Motorsport.

Quote from nihil :

The difference of opinion comes from the notion that you are inadvertently promoting, that true, pro, racing only occurs when everyone competes on equal terms with equal controllers. This is an idealist fantasy. One that you are quite welcome to indulge and I certainly willl not stand in anyone's way in creating servers to accomodate you.

An idealist fantasy? lol. There can never be equal terms for controllers and surroundings. We all know that.
But some important things of Simulating a Car could be set to equal if the Host wants to do that. "True" Racing only occurs on a true track. There should be the possibility in a Online Driving Simulation that you organise a Race without driving Aids wouldnt you say?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Thu 4 Jan 2007, 17:29.

Quote :

Racing is about braking in the right place, taking a good line, and accelerating in the right place

Right. But what needs to be understood is that there is a HUGE DIFFERENT GAME between driving with

2 Pedals + F1 Paddle Shifting + Driving Aids + Chase View

or

3 Pedals + H-Shifting + no driving Aids + Cockpit View

How hard is it to see that this makes a huge difference when it comes to braking - accelerating - and controlling the car threw the corner? How hard is it to understand that People want to Race other guys who also need to change gears the normal way, and dont use driving Aids, whats so bad about that?

If a Server requires Clutching or H-Shifting or both you are not forced to join the Server if you dont want to Race that way or do not have the Hardware for it. There are plenty of other Servers and the Majority still uses driving Aids so there will always be enough drivers for you to Race with.

Why all this bad Attitude when it comes to improving the Sim for those who want to get out the full Potential of it while Racing other People with the same settings.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Thu 4 Jan 2007, 16:34.